Ryan opinion on rape and abortion

I just wonder, at times. Maybe all this life stuff is just capitalism/”rentier” stuff. Maybe I cannot “choose to die” because there is still some money in my bank account. Once that is gone no one will bother me (or maybe someone might even help me) if I start dieing. Maybe “right to life” birth stuff is just keeping the labor pool big so the “owners” have “choice” of their own. Lifers seem to lose interest after the birth occurs but I imagine survival of the fittest produces the best serfs.

Maybe evolution produced it all. Maybe my owner gene kicks in when I realize I can own you. I recall my Mississippi Dad’s attitude about civil rights. The profound effect on him was that, instead of being able to hire on the cheap and under the table, the serfs in the society became aware of the advantages of minimum wage and Social Security payments. But my Dad translated this as “you can’t get a good n-word now days”. Good meaning underpaid and under the table.

If my musing is true on any level, then it is good not to have too much money when you have a comma producing stroke. They may not let you die until the Medicaid kicks in and, even then, until they need to sell the bed to the highest bidder.

On the other hand – just musing. I am another one of those who just cannot understand why so many people don’t want women to have rights over their own destiny. It MUST be some of that landowner/serf thing on an elementary level. How demeaning!

So spreading the seed is the goal of life itself. Maybe men, on a level a woman like me cannot understand, see forcing women to give birth to be a gene survival thing even if this arises from instinct not knowledge.

Peope Do need to realize that this is not just women and rape. Should we start making sure the government doesn’t get confused about what death is too. I can picture all the dieing old folks in animated suspension awaiting a Congress that can agree long enough that someone can legally pull the plug. Silly, not after Terri Schiavo.

Ryan is right. If the fetus is truly a life, then you shouldn’t end it. Period.

The exception for rape and incest is just an attempt to get more popular support.

sammy, My kneejerk reaction is that only a rapist would defend the sperm delivery.

I guess any man who cannot get into a woman’s vagina to procreate their gene pool should go rape a woman if his gene pool is worth the price, huh?

How about we just tie up little girls after puberty and let men march down the line of open legs delivering their juice. Perhaps we should pass a law saying – Men, listen up, have little girls, they are a lot more fun in bed and your seed is protected.

And Dan, as a woman, I feel that my language is no more inappropriate than that of sammy.

So, help me understand. If a man walks into a bar and is an immanent threat to my life – I am allowed to shoot him in self defense. But if I have an ectopic pregnancy, these people won’t allow me to take a life because it is “God’s” will. You have no idea the legal mess we are making trying to say a life that can not sustain itself without the mother is non the less equal in rights to the mother. And who then represents the fetus’s best interest? The state, or the mother. Ignorance of biology and law is no way to construct laws. This is a short, must see explanation of the legal Pandora’s box we are opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X4_p3yAC8

Vizsla, The definition of life really has nothing to do with rape and incest. I guess I think someone is trying to change the subject when it moves one one area of women’s choice to another. The relevant part of the utube is government seizure of a woman’s body.

If Ryan is so pro-life, is he shutting down our military. If you start taking “thou shalt not kill” seriously, that’s grounds for separation from the service. No one considers it an absolute imperative. Read your Bible, and look at all the Canaanites the Israelites killed shortly after god gave them the ten commandments.

Ryan’s view is the only defensible view for the anti-abortion crowd. All this “how awful” reaction Slansky and the like is either dishonest or uttered by morons.

Look, if how a woman becomes pregnant is relevant to whether she is forced to carry the baby to term, then the moral issue is that women should pay the consequences of screwing. When rape and incest are allowed as exceptions, we are back to Puritan times when abortion was a fairly common form of birth control (though far from safe), but screwing out of wedlock was a punishable offense. There are probably lots of anti-abortion folks who hold that view, but it is not the one they present to the public. The alternative is “every sperm is sacred”.

If “every sperm is sacred”, and embryos are ensouled humans, then rape and incest ARE irrelevant. The moral argument is over the life of the embryo, not whether the sexual act in question was permissible. The health of the mother is a grey area, which is why it has suddenly been set apart from the other two exceptions by anti-abortion types. Rape and incest exceptions are all about what kind of sex took place, life of the mother can be argued without being laughed at, so anti-abortion types go wild when it’s brought up. Gotta close that Overton window.

Anybody who has failed to think as clearly about morality as 3-hour-marathon-Ryan needs to go stand in the corner. A far away corner, please.

Jack

i should know better than get into this, because no matter how careful i am to say that i am only addressing the logic, the hysterical folk will be sure i am advocating rape, incest, and forced pregnancy of little girls.

but, it is is not inconsistent for someone to kill someone who is threatening the life of a child. if we took “thou shalt not kill” as a morally binding absolute we would have to stand around and watch the killers kill. now, it might be that if we did that, Jesus would intervene and everything would be all right. but even i can’t bring myself to put that idea to the test.

what the “pro choice” faction can’t seem to understand is that not all “pro lifers” are trying to control women and subjugate them to the sacred sperm. some of them genuinely believe that a fetus is actually a living human being, and they feel about killing it the way you would feel if someone killed your three year old child.

not “rational” by your lights. but completely rational by theirs.

and if anyone still cares, i am a strong believer in not making abortion illegal. but i am also a strong believer in not fooling myself if i can help it.

not sure why that makes me stupid enough to try to persuade other people not to fool themselves.